Posts by Ultimate Axiom

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The Apostasy Within

by Ultimate Axiom in

in the latest watchtower (july 15, 2014, page 14, paragraph 10) it says; today, jehovahs people are not often confronted with apostasy within the congregation.

still, when exposed to unscriptural teachings, regardless of the source, we must decisively reject them.. so, not often, but occasionally jws are exposed to apostasy within the congregation, and they are instructed to decisively reject it.

as we all know, the vast majority of the apostasy they are exposed to comes from the governing body.. i am meeting up soon with an old friend from the 1970s who i havent seen for decades, who is still an active jw, and who would really like to hear what i think about things.

Ultimate Axiom

Vanderhoven7 - I like the application of Matt 15:9 to the examples you have given, that is definitely worth more analysis.

BluesBrother - you know I think he is, which is why I will meet with him. If truth be told I believe I am far more interested in hearing his views on what I have been collecting for him, than he is on hearing mine.

wasblind - "since Jehovah's Witnesses are not prophets , according to their own words" I disagree with you and Make Lemonade here. It might be a 42 year old quote, but in the Watchtower, April 1, 1972, page 197, they said, “does Jehovah have a prophet to ... declare things to come? These questions can be answered in the affirmative. … This ‘prophet’ was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah’s Christian witnesses.” I am not aware that they have rescinded this position, but I'm happy to be proved wrong if someone can supply more up to date 'light'.

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The Apostasy Within

by Ultimate Axiom in

in the latest watchtower (july 15, 2014, page 14, paragraph 10) it says; today, jehovahs people are not often confronted with apostasy within the congregation.

still, when exposed to unscriptural teachings, regardless of the source, we must decisively reject them.. so, not often, but occasionally jws are exposed to apostasy within the congregation, and they are instructed to decisively reject it.

as we all know, the vast majority of the apostasy they are exposed to comes from the governing body.. i am meeting up soon with an old friend from the 1970s who i havent seen for decades, who is still an active jw, and who would really like to hear what i think about things.

Ultimate Axiom

Exactly Darth - that is precisely my point – to obey the FDS here, my friend will have to 'decisively reject ' them, which will give him a dilema.

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The Apostasy Within

by Ultimate Axiom in

in the latest watchtower (july 15, 2014, page 14, paragraph 10) it says; today, jehovahs people are not often confronted with apostasy within the congregation.

still, when exposed to unscriptural teachings, regardless of the source, we must decisively reject them.. so, not often, but occasionally jws are exposed to apostasy within the congregation, and they are instructed to decisively reject it.

as we all know, the vast majority of the apostasy they are exposed to comes from the governing body.. i am meeting up soon with an old friend from the 1970s who i havent seen for decades, who is still an active jw, and who would really like to hear what i think about things.

Ultimate Axiom

Yes Kate - I like that reinstatement one. The trouble with doctrines like the mediator issue is that it's all too easy to get into the situation where you are batting scriptures back and forth, which JWs are very good at, and in this instance I want to avoid that. Blood is a good one, because although it can lead to a scriptural ping-pong game, their practical application of it is illogical. The fractions issue asside, I could never understand why you couldn’t use fertilizers that contained blood, after all, into the ground is where blood was supposed to go.

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Deuteronomy 22:28,29. Thank Jebus nobody pays attention to this f*cked up part of "God's inspired word" any more.

by DuvanMuvan in

28 if a man happens to meet a virgin girl who is not engaged and he seizes her and lies down with her and they are discovered,+29 the man who lay down with her must give the girls father 50 silver shekels, and she will become his wife.+ because he humiliated her, he will not be allowed to divorce her as long as he lives.

" -nwt 2013 revised edition.

was just on the thread about lot and his messed up family life and was reminded of another part of the bible that made me feel physically sick the first time i read it.

Ultimate Axiom

I find the whole idea of 'selling' a daughter quite disgusting, not to mention the stoning to death of a girl who can’t prove she’s a virgin. And I can’t believe I once actually believed this was a righteous law. For those that still believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God, how do you justify this? And do you criticize some sections of Islam for still living by it?

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The Apostasy Within

by Ultimate Axiom in

in the latest watchtower (july 15, 2014, page 14, paragraph 10) it says; today, jehovahs people are not often confronted with apostasy within the congregation.

still, when exposed to unscriptural teachings, regardless of the source, we must decisively reject them.. so, not often, but occasionally jws are exposed to apostasy within the congregation, and they are instructed to decisively reject it.

as we all know, the vast majority of the apostasy they are exposed to comes from the governing body.. i am meeting up soon with an old friend from the 1970s who i havent seen for decades, who is still an active jw, and who would really like to hear what i think about things.

Ultimate Axiom

In the latest Watchtower (July 15, 2014, page 14, paragraph 10) it says; “Today, Jehovah’s people are not often confronted with apostasy within the congregation. Still, when exposed to unscriptural teachings, regardless of the source, we must decisively reject them.”

So, ‘not often’, but occasionally JWs are exposed to apostasy within the congregation, and they are instructed to decisively reject it. As we all know, the vast majority of the apostasy they are exposed to comes from the Governing Body.

I am meeting up soon with an old friend from the 1970s who I haven’t seen for decades, who is still an active JW, and who would really like to “hear what I think about things”. He is a really nice guy and a reasonably free thinking Dub and always likes to go off on tangents exploring all sorts of strange ideas, which incidentally could bring him into trouble with paragraph 9 of that Watchtower about ‘controversial ideas’, but that’s another matter.

I am collecting as many examples of ‘unscriptural’ teachings from the GB that I can find so I can ask him if he has decisively rejected them.

The most obvious to me being the two groups of overlapping anointed Christians to explain Mathew 24:34. Other examples would be the unquestioning obedience they must give to the GB and the baptising of children.

What do you guys think? What are your favourite examples of unscriptural teachings that have come from the GB?

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Trinitiarian "proof-text" John 20:28 has some problems for "Trinitarians"

by booker-t in

all through my years as a jws and after i have always wondered about john 20:28 where thomas says "my lord and my god" to jesus.

i just could not find a suitable answer for this text to disprove the trinity doctrine.

i really never swallowed the jws intrepretation of "shock" by thomas something like "oh my god" but at the same time i had a gut feeling trinitarians were hiding something about this verse.

Ultimate Axiom

There are plenty of texts you could quote to support the idea that Christ was God, and plenty of others to support the idea that he wasn’t. But even if you come down on the side of Christ’s divinity, I still don’t see where you get the Trinity from. Surely a concept so totally alien to the Jewish God would have been explained by Paul somewhere in his letters if that's what he believed. But he doesn’t even mention it in passing, not so much as a whisper. Believe Jesus is God if you like, and tell me the bible supports that idea and I won’t argue with you, but don’t try and tell me that it therefore follows that God is a Trinity.

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This is my first post

by Make Lemonade in

i wanted to express appreciation to the members of this forum.

there are resources here that are deep.

like we heard from the stage, "what is your depth and breadth of bible knowledge?

Ultimate Axiom

"I am a lawyer by day and an elder at night"

Sounds quite reasonable to me, just the sort of thing I could imagine Jesus saying – a tax collector by day, a Christian at night, but if you can only manage it on a Sunday, that’s OK too. As AlphaMan said, JWs know no limit to their hypocrisy.

BTY, I too remember 1975 very well imdeed, telling everyone the world will be ending soon. In the spring of 1975 I even debated whether or not to tax my car for a year or for six months, because as a pioneer, I was always short of money.

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Who treats you worst...

by new hope and happiness in

jw
friends

your favourite football team or the watchtower?.

i mean geting out the watchtower i realize my favourite football team treats me as bad as the watchtower.even if buy the tickets and half time hot dogs....in fact i think they treat me worse.

so why do i still support this team?

Ultimate Axiom

I don't know, but when my favourite football team pays a guy more in a month than a teacher, nurse, firefighter, etc, earns in a lifetime, then I know it's time to stop supporting all of them.

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Not All Anointed Ones Alive Today Are Part Of 'This generation'

by OwnAccord in

where do they come up with this stuff?.

this is a topic on 'the other site'.

i actually called our bethel ny branch and talked to a brother on the writing committee, at writing correspondence.

Ultimate Axiom

I have it on good authority that during His last quarterly review, Anthony Morris III personally marked Jehovah down for his poor timekeeping, and put him on a Personal Improvement Plan. Stephen Lett warned Him that if He didn’t meet His new objectives He would be facing a disciplinary, which could lead to dismissal. Jehovah has promised to try harder, and will read all those tedious Watchtower articles to ensure He keeps on schedule with the GB’s timetable.

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Not All Anointed Ones Alive Today Are Part Of 'This generation'

by OwnAccord in

where do they come up with this stuff?.

this is a topic on 'the other site'.

i actually called our bethel ny branch and talked to a brother on the writing committee, at writing correspondence.

Ultimate Axiom

prologos – group 2 may well die before the Big A ends, but not before the Great T starts - “We understand that in mentioning “The second group included in “this generation” are anointed contemporaries of the first group. … Today, those in this second group are themselves advancing in years. Yet, Jesus’ words at Matthew 24:34 give us confidence that at least some of “this generation will by no means pass away” before seeing the start of the great tribulation. This should add to our conviction that little time remains before the King of God’s Kingdom acts to destroy the wicked and usher in a righteous new world.” (Watchtower, January 15, 2014, page 31).